Something I find interesting is that pre-Christian Rome and Greece was all too happy to look at other cultures equivalent systems or deities, in comparative religious study. Tacitus I think is one who did a bit of that, specifically correlating Mars to Tyr, even to the point of discussing the barbarians version of Priests of Mars acting as judges and such.
There's a lot to be said for cultures ascribing the same traits to different god forms or aspects thereof, when discussing/exploring energies of the universe
The Sky Father concept is one that is traceable in etymology and it seems to really irritate certain religious persuasions; Tyr, Tiw, Ziu, Zeus, Deus, the Tau, Tiwaz, etc.
The Old Norse theonym Týr stems from an earlier Proto-Norse form reconstructed as Tīwaʀ,[2] which derives – like its Germanic cognates Tīw (Old English) andZiu (Old High German) – from the Proto-Germanic theonym Tīwaz, meaning '(the) God'.[3] The name of a Gothic deity namedTeiws (later Tīus) may also be reconstructed based on the associated rune tyz.[2][4] In Old Norse poetry, the plural tívar is used for 'the gods', and the singular týr, meaning '(a) god', occurs in kennings for Odin and Thor.[5][6] Modern English writers frequently anglicize the god's name by dropping the proper noun's diacritic, rendering Old Norse: Týr as Tyr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiwaz_(Luwian_deity)
The name of the Proto-Anatolian Sun god can be reconstructed as Diuod-, which derives from the Proto-Indo-European worddei- ("shine", "glow"). This name is cognate with the Greek Zeus, Latin Jupiter, and Norse Tyr.
In Bronze Age texts, Tiwaz is often referred to as "Father" (cuneiform Luwian: tatis Tiwaz) and once as "Great Tiwaz" (cuneiform Luwian: urazza- dUTU-az), and invoked along with the "Father gods" (cuneiform Luwian: tatinzi maššaninzi). His Bronze Age epithet, "Tiwaz of the Oath" (cuneiform Luwian: ḫirutalla- dUTU-az), indicates that he was an oath-god. In this role he received sacrifices of sheep, red meat and bread. The Luwian verb tiwadani- ("to curse") is derived from Tiwaz's name.
In the Hittite and Hurrian religions the Sun goddess of the Earth played an important role in the death cult and was understood to be the ruler of the world of the dead. For the Luwians there is a Bronze Age source which refers to the "Sun god of the Earth" (cuneiform Luwian: tiyamašši- dU-za): "If he is alive, may Tiwaz release him, if he is dead, may the Sun god of the Earth release him" (Boğazköy cuneiform inscription, 35.48 ii 19.23).
and so forth
so, yes we can see quite widespread and more modern systems have roots in far older systems
As I've said before, Abrahamists really are the new kids on the block.
Now we're here again, isn't there some story about a Sun God or Son of God being sacrificed on a Tau (equiv; Tiwaz) ?
Not to mention in the Norse the fact that Tyr sacrificed his right [who sits at the right?] for all [coz no one else would], and it happened due to the sins of the father [of fenrir], for which if he did not then the great beast would've kept growing and put all in danger. Or so we're told... I've my doubts and the other gods simply feared what they couldn't control so they mk'd and bound fenrir (humanity?). These ancients seemed fond of that... plus torture, death and resurrection in order to create a magickal being (such as Heidi/Heith, otherwise known as Gullveig whom was tortured to bring out magickal power, though also may be metaphor or double entendre reference to purifying metal and gold)
For some clarity:
The origin of the Luwians can only be assumed. A wide variety of suggestions exist, even today, which are connected to the debate over the original homeland of the Indo-European speakers.
It is possible that the Demircihüyük culture (c.3500–2500 BC) is connected with the arrival of Indo-Europeans in Anatolia, since Proto-Anatolian must have split off around 3000 BC at the latest on linguistic grounds.
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for further context, clarification and to lessen requirement of research by anyone curious
"The God Tiwaz/Tyr is perhaps the oldest of the Germanic pantheon. He is the God of war and justice and might already have been worshipped since the Bronze Age.
His name dates back to the invading Yamnaya people (proto-indo Europeans). The original proto-Germanic name Tiwaz is linked to the chief God of the proto-indo Europeans, Dyeus.
Dyeus simply means God and since the Proto-Germanic language is derived from Proto-Indo European, we can assume that Tyr/Tiwaz simply just means God. Tiwaz was worshipped as the chief God of the Germanic people until Wodan took his place. How and why Wodan became the chief God is unknown."
https://germanicseidr.tumblr.com/post/1 ... -oldest-of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic%E2 ... ian_steppe
Something I find interesting is that pre-Christian Rome and Greece was all too happy to look at other cultures equivalent systems or deities, in comparative religious study. Tacitus I think is one who did a bit of that, specifically correlating Mars to Tyr, even to the point of discussing the barbarians version of Priests of Mars acting as judges and such.
There's a lot to be said for cultures ascribing the same traits to different god forms or aspects thereof, when discussing/exploring energies of the universe
The Sky Father concept is one that is traceable in etymology and it seems to really irritate certain religious persuasions; Tyr, Tiw, Ziu, Zeus, Deus, the Tau, Tiwaz, etc.
The Old Norse theonym Týr stems from an earlier Proto-Norse form reconstructed as Tīwaʀ,[2] which derives – like its Germanic cognates Tīw (Old English) andZiu (Old High German) – from the Proto-Germanic theonym Tīwaz, meaning '(the) God'.[3] The name of a Gothic deity namedTeiws (later Tīus) may also be reconstructed based on the associated rune tyz.[2][4] In Old Norse poetry, the plural tívar is used for 'the gods', and the singular týr, meaning '(a) god', occurs in kennings for Odin and Thor.[5][6] Modern English writers frequently anglicize the god's name by dropping the proper noun's diacritic, rendering Old Norse: Týr as Tyr.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiwaz_(Luwian_deity)[/url]
The name of the Proto-Anatolian Sun god can be reconstructed as Diuod-, which derives from the Proto-Indo-European worddei- ("shine", "glow"). This name is cognate with the Greek Zeus, Latin Jupiter, and Norse Tyr.
In Bronze Age texts, Tiwaz is often referred to as "Father" (cuneiform Luwian: tatis Tiwaz) and once as "Great Tiwaz" (cuneiform Luwian: urazza- dUTU-az), and invoked along with the "Father gods" (cuneiform Luwian: tatinzi maššaninzi). His Bronze Age epithet, "Tiwaz of the Oath" (cuneiform Luwian: ḫirutalla- dUTU-az), indicates that he was an oath-god. In this role he received sacrifices of sheep, red meat and bread. The Luwian verb tiwadani- ("to curse") is derived from Tiwaz's name.
In the Hittite and Hurrian religions the Sun goddess of the Earth played an important role in the death cult and was understood to be the ruler of the world of the dead. For the Luwians there is a Bronze Age source which refers to the "Sun god of the Earth" (cuneiform Luwian: tiyamašši- dU-za): "If he is alive, may Tiwaz release him, if he is dead, may the Sun god of the Earth release him" (Boğazköy cuneiform inscription, 35.48 ii 19.23).
and so forth
so, yes we can see quite widespread and more modern systems have roots in far older systems
As I've said before, Abrahamists really are the new kids on the block.
Now we're here again, isn't there some story about a Sun God or Son of God being sacrificed on a Tau (equiv; Tiwaz) ?
Not to mention in the Norse the fact that Tyr sacrificed his right [who sits at the right?] for all [coz no one else would], and it happened due to the sins of the father [of fenrir], for which if he did not then the great beast would've kept growing and put all in danger. Or so we're told... I've my doubts and the other gods simply feared what they couldn't control so they mk'd and bound fenrir (humanity?). These ancients seemed fond of that... plus torture, death and resurrection in order to create a magickal being (such as Heidi/Heith, otherwise known as Gullveig whom was tortured to bring out magickal power, though also may be metaphor or double entendre reference to purifying metal and gold)
For some clarity:
The origin of the Luwians can only be assumed. A wide variety of suggestions exist, even today, which are connected to the debate over the original homeland of the Indo-European speakers.
It is possible that the Demircihüyük culture (c.3500–2500 BC) is connected with the arrival of Indo-Europeans in Anatolia, since Proto-Anatolian must have split off around 3000 BC at the latest on linguistic grounds.
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for further context, clarification and to lessen requirement of research by anyone curious
"The God Tiwaz/Tyr is perhaps the oldest of the Germanic pantheon. He is the God of war and justice and might already have been worshipped since the Bronze Age.
His name dates back to the invading Yamnaya people (proto-indo Europeans). The original proto-Germanic name Tiwaz is linked to the chief God of the proto-indo Europeans, Dyeus.
Dyeus simply means God and since the Proto-Germanic language is derived from Proto-Indo European, we can assume that Tyr/Tiwaz simply just means God. Tiwaz was worshipped as the chief God of the Germanic people until Wodan took his place. How and why Wodan became the chief God is unknown."
[url]https://germanicseidr.tumblr.com/post/187943446936/tiwaz-the-god-tiwaztyr-is-perhaps-the-oldest-of[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic%E2%80%93Caspian_steppe[/url]