by Týsköll » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:09 am
Tom Sawyer wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:53 pm
I get your point, but I stick to my response because some cultures and stories are simply a way of control the future of a people via made up tradition.
and also I have not inherited any of my people's culture, so I don't have value in this earth if I just made up my own values?
All traditions are made up, all cultures born from a single person doing something at some point. (Like the First Warrior did in his just war against the three headed serpent).
You're right that some are used to control, certainly, we see that a lot in cults or some fundamentalist religion where people aren't free to leave and pursue their own ways. That would be akin to the theft of wealth, restricting someone's story to within the framework of an existing box of dogmatic belief.
It should be fluid, not forced. As with all cultural evolution.
Not inheriting a culture, or way of life isn't a new thing - it's how new traditions begin. Whether your ways stand the test of time to be taken on by others as a good way and inherited over millennia, or die with your fleshy body, remains to be seen.
Either way - that's your new story, an identity no-one's but yours. If not greatest, then it is great wealth, without that what are you?
This slides up alongside the misconception of total ego death, its an impossibility without becoming a zombie under control of another (like the aforementioned cults do).
So, if a people's greatest wealth, in this case yourself a singular "people" (as you inherited nothing from your forebears apparently), is a faith in an action... are you taking this action? Waiting faithfully for someone else to do it? Preparing for the act as a matter of progression through life?
It would be a strange thing to have one's greatest wealth rely on someone else doing it for them, though, your culture is not my culture - perhaps it would be not so strange from your perspective.
so I don't have value in this earth if I just made up my own values?
No, it's your greatest wealth. You're just the first of this new people known as... the Tomothies

[quote="Tom Sawyer" post_id=2026 time=1720702405 user_id=66]
I get your point, but I stick to my response because some cultures and stories are simply a way of control the future of a people via made up tradition.
and also I have not inherited any of my people's culture, so I don't have value in this earth if I just made up my own values?
[/quote]
All traditions are made up, all cultures born from a single person doing something at some point. (Like the First Warrior did in his just war against the three headed serpent).
You're right that some are used to control, certainly, we see that a lot in cults or some fundamentalist religion where people aren't free to leave and pursue their own ways. That would be akin to the theft of wealth, restricting someone's story to within the framework of an existing box of dogmatic belief.
It should be fluid, not forced. As with all cultural evolution.
Not inheriting a culture, or way of life isn't a new thing - it's how new traditions begin. Whether your ways stand the test of time to be taken on by others as a good way and inherited over millennia, or die with your fleshy body, remains to be seen.
Either way - that's your new story, an identity no-one's but yours. If not greatest, then it is great wealth, without that what are you?
This slides up alongside the misconception of total ego death, its an impossibility without becoming a zombie under control of another (like the aforementioned cults do).
So, if a people's greatest wealth, in this case yourself a singular "people" (as you inherited nothing from your forebears apparently), is a faith in an action... are you taking this action? Waiting faithfully for someone else to do it? Preparing for the act as a matter of progression through life?
It would be a strange thing to have one's greatest wealth rely on someone else doing it for them, though, your culture is not my culture - perhaps it would be not so strange from your perspective.
[quote]so I don't have value in this earth if I just made up my own values?[/quote]
No, it's your greatest wealth. You're just the first of this new people known as... the Tomothies :grin